fast forward 18 months we've resolved the debt ceiling issues and the fiscal cliff to boot. the ecb has done a 180 on supporting spain. the equity markets have more than fully recovered and yet bonds are still mired down to 1 1/2 to 2%. if this is year people wake up and say rates are too low for the conditions. lori:. lori: do you believe the markets are undervalued. many are near 52-week highs. many all-time highs but you still think there is value? >> we look long term people get obsessed with numbers on the s&p because that is where we peaked back in '99 and 2000. they assumed it was overvalued there because it was overvalued then. in our price matters '99 and 2000 that was 100% overvalued. that happened four times in history. every time that's happened you spend about 12 to 14 years chopping sideways. we're getting to the end of that. on that same 1550 type level we're now thinking it is 10 to 15% undervalued. why would that be? well earnings have more than doubled in that 13-year period. ashley: so where, i'm an investor. i'm getting out of bonds. i want a slice of thi